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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/184922159" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> bstrie <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#184922159">(Jan 06 2020 at 16:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>does anyone know where the libs team has their meetings?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/184926615" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#184926615">(Jan 06 2020 at 17:26)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="256342">@bstrie</span> You can read this topic, in short they don't have meetings or place for discussion. <a href="#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/T-libs.20discussion.20forum" title="#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/T-libs.20discussion.20forum">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/T-libs.20discussion.20forum</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/184940058" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#184940058">(Jan 06 2020 at 19:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>deeply unfortunate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185027750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185027750">(Jan 07 2020 at 16:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="256342">@bstrie</span> if there is an issue that you need to bring to their attention, open a thread on internals or in rust-lang/rust</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185027790" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185027790">(Jan 07 2020 at 16:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>if you are in a rust team, you can ping them in rust-lang/rust, but otherwise someone else can ping them for you</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185051486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185051486">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I pinged them in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/67686" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/67686">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/67686</a> and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/67725" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/67725">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/67725</a> without getting much of a reaction, unfortunately (the holidays would explain this, though this is consistent with other pings over the last few months). I feel I have to pick someone from the libs team and Cc or r? them if I want to get a reaction. (Totally understandable, they are probably busy, but it still poses a challenge for libs-related discussion.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185052086" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185052086">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120791">@RalfJ</span> I'd ping <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="137587">@Gankra</span> for those, but I don't know if they are available for reviewing those PRs, otherwise <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="143274">@Amanieu</span> or @SimonSapin are probably good fits as well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185052126" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185052126">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I already explicitly pinged Gankra, I didnt know if they are in rust-lang/libs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053137" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053137">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>:/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053154" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053154">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:48)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="118772">@Lukas Kalbertodt</span> maybe ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053195">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Amanieu and Simon sound like good options (though last time I pinged them SImon indicated they are also pretty busy). not sure how long I should wait before trying to summon them. for now, the PRs are assigned to dtolnay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053255" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053255">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Amanieu is familiar with the hashmap implementation, but BTreeSet is quite different. The only person I recall that was deeply familiar with it is Gankra :/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053404" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053404">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Amanieu <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053425">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yea I didn't respond because I don't know anything about the btree internals.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053500">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>for the 2nd PR I almost convinced myself I could r+ it. But I dont feel quite confident enough...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185053555" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185053555">(Jan 07 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>these are pretty high-risk changes -- if something goes wrong, we have some very hard to detect UB at our hands</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185057459" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185057459">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Y'all in the wrong topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185057599" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185057599">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>switched into new topic :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185057634" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185057634">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185057686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185057686">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I get the feeling that libs is overworked and understaffed. And that's totally believable.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185057732" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185057732">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185058593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185058593">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>How would we go about improving their staff situation?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185058659" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185058659">(Jan 07 2020 at 21:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>naively: finding more people that want to to libs work?</p>



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<p>I don't think there's a lack of folks wanting to do libs work</p>



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<p>(and I don't think libs is more overworked and overstaffed than other teams really -- except for the compiler team maybe, which is well staffed)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185060820" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185060820">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>So then, how can we better connect the work to do with the time and willingness to do said work and also the appropriate authorization to do said work.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185060943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185060943">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>i regularly hear about "so much to do, so little time", but a lot less does it seem to come up how to increase staff so that (effectively) more time exists</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061374" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061374">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:24)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224471">@Lokathor</span> I think speaking so vaguely is unlikely to be helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061483">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not just a matter of staffing; for example, we could add a bunch of new members to the language team, but then the coherency of the language direction is impacted and it could risk in gridlock; you need to somehow increase the number of work hours but at the same time not add a bunch of new decision-makers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061517" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061517">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>the compiler team handles this better than most, I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061615" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061615">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think that the libs team seems poorly organized as compared to the other teams</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061621">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>they are ostensibly still on IRC</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061630" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061630">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, it's also true that compiler team makes few big decisions (and non revertible ones)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061650">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep, also true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061686">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>although committing to an implementation strategy can have long-term consequences (like MIR)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061697">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>but they are more revertible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061793" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061793">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>still; the libs team does accept new FCPs all the time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185061831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185061831">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>hopefully now that Lukas has joined things will be better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185063755" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185063755">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe the distinction between standard library maintenance and standard library evolution is worth making</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185063843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185063843">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>imagine if, instead of a lang and a compiler team, we would only have one team for both</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185063923" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185063923">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's kind of the situation the libs team currently is in</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185063980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185063980">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>library maintenance of the standard library could just be the compiler team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064030">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>also an option</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064048" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064048">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in fact I think they should already feel free to do such changes)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064049" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064049">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>for the PRs that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120791">@RalfJ</span> mentioned, it would mean that the appropriate team to ping would be the compiler team, and not the libs team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064074">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>although I don't think t-compiler has preparedness for this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064077" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064077">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064116">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure, it probably would require some libs team members to be in the compiler team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064119" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064119">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:59)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>hopefully now that Lukas has joined things will be better</p>
</blockquote>
<p>All the pressure! °_°</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064136" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064136">(Jan 07 2020 at 22:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello everyone! First time on Zulip. Thanks for the ping. The UI still confuses me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064235" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064235">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me holds in criticism of bad UX of Zulip</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064397">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120791">@RalfJ</span> I had a look at both of these PRs but ultimately didn't feel useful enough to comment. I don't know about those parts of the code. If you'd like to I can try starting to understand everything about the code to review the PR.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064445" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064445">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also kind of not happy with T-libs not having a dedicated chat. But not sure how much I can really do as a new member of the team. Need to get used to everything first anyway...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064480" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064480">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="118772">@Lukas Kalbertodt</span> it would be good if the team just chose one of Zulip or Discord</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064490">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>having more chat platforms is a bad idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064545" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064545">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> Yep. Someone probably just have to decide it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064619">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I hope that's not "off topic" here, but in the topic linked at the very top of this topic, it is mentioned that there is a <code>t-lang</code> channel/stream here on Zulip? Where can I find it? Where can I find the streams for all the other teams? I only see "announce", "general", "new members" and "zulip".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064697">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="118772">@Lukas Kalbertodt</span> there's a <span aria-label="gear" class="emoji emoji-2699" role="img" title="gear">:gear:</span>  to the right of "STREAMS"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064714" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064714">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>there should be a "Search streams" above announce</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064733" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064733">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> OMG thank you</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064843">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>intuitive, eh? ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064975" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064975">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>For what is worth, the Zulip team is very responsive</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064980">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> It's kind of amusing seeing how some of the smartest people I know of completely struggle to understand a chat app. I'd say that's not a good sign for how user friendly the app is :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185064994" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185064994">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I opened an issue about this, and at least now all "settings" icons are  a <span aria-label="gear" class="emoji emoji-2699" role="img" title="gear">:gear:</span>  (before they used different icons)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065007">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Although Zulip seems to be cool once you get used to it. I might propose just creating a channel here to the others via mail soonish.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065008" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065008">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> i was being as concrete and clear as I knew how to be at the time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065019">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure, yes :) No worries :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065031">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="118772">@Lukas Kalbertodt</span> it's different skillsets though; Zulip is something that feels like a very linux-y engineer I-don't-understand-interaction-design UX</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065034">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="118772">@Lukas Kalbertodt</span> I want to say that I've heard discussions to that effect already from others libs :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065045">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, before if you open a stream with 10000 unread messages, the left part of the UI would explode - i opened an issue and in a couple of days someone implemented the "more topics" API</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065133" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065133">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>so if you find anything about the UI suboptimal, just open an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065140" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> gnzlbg <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065140">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>they triage low-hanging fruit pretty aggressively</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065164">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> by "libs" you mean "members of the libs team"? Otherwise I can't parse your sentence :/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185065491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185065491">(Jan 07 2020 at 23:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes,</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185171768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BurntSushi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185171768">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Personally, I've never been involved much with std matters. That's why i removed myself from fcp tickboxes so long ago. I spend much more time on ecosystem stuff. It's an interesting idea to perhaps have different focuses within the libs team, which i think is already true, but perhaps implicit. Idk what the proper organizational structure is. (This is also my first time on Zulip.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185173540" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185173540">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>What would you see as the job of an "ecosystem libs" team?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185173753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BurntSushi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185173753">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not sure. For me personally, i spend time maintaining and building crates outside of std. I suspect things like the API guidelines and generally promoting idiomatic code to fall under that category as well. Maybe more stuff.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174063">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Just building stuff outside of std doesn't really need a <em>team</em> though, does it? That's "just" development.</p>
<p>API guidelines / documenting and promoting idioms seems reasonable though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174101">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>documenting is T-docs atm I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174162">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>To be clear, I think it would make sense for there to be a "std team" that applies a pretty high standards bar and some other group as well. Things that are common across crates can be raised up to the std team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174181">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also should be clear that I've not the time for either of these teams, so I have very little say in how they look or what they do. <span aria-label="wink" class="emoji emoji-1f609" role="img" title="wink">:wink:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BurntSushi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174199">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> Not sure i would agree with that take, but I'm on mobile and it's late. Maintenance of important crates seems like something that a team could manage to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174264">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="222471">@Andrew Gallant</span> ah, you know that's a good point. I was forgetting about all the crates that are under the rust-lang umbrella</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174288" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174288">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> note that many of those crates are used by the compiler for internal consumption and are really for the compiler team to review and manage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174340">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>But would it make sense for e.g. regex or serde to be under the purview of that group? I would think no / the maintainers wouldn't want such.</p>



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<p>Yes, but not all. And the set isn't fixed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174351" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174351">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> indeed, I was implicitly ignoring those.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BurntSushi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174381">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess i see my maintenance of regex as part of my library team duties. At least, that's how it started many moons ago. Keep in mind that I'm not expressing a strong opinion. Just brainstorming.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174447" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174447">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I'm of the opinion that I don't really want <em>de facto</em> standard libraries / "this crate is the only crate to use". </p>
<p>Selfishly, as soon as there's a rust-lang/error-handler, SNAFU is as good as dead, for example.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174469" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BurntSushi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174469">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think anything I've expressed is in intrinsic conflict with that...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185174484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185174484">(Jan 09 2020 at 00:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I could also see semi-fundamental traits in such an organization, (whatever happened to http anyway?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185188777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185188777">(Jan 09 2020 at 07:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> Well it's being used in hyper, tokio, and actix. Just from looking at its reverse dependencies. <a href="https://crates.io/crates/http/reverse_dependencies" target="_blank" title="https://crates.io/crates/http/reverse_dependencies">https://crates.io/crates/http/reverse_dependencies</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185188919" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185188919">(Jan 09 2020 at 07:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's being maintained by <a href="https://github.com/hyperium" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/hyperium">https://github.com/hyperium</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185189091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185189091">(Jan 09 2020 at 07:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Just FYI: there is a <a class="stream" data-stream-id="219381" href="/#narrow/stream/219381-t-libs">#t-libs</a>  stream now! CC <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="256342">@bstrie</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224471">@Lokathor</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120791">@RalfJ</span> (I have no idea whether you would have gotten a notification, hence explicit ping)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185189136" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185189136">(Jan 09 2020 at 07:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>It was in the announce stream, but not everyone follows that necessarily</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185189748" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lukas Kalbertodt <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185189748">(Jan 09 2020 at 07:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, right. Thought it would be useful to mention it in this topic as well.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185213347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185213347">(Jan 09 2020 at 13:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> that’s good to hear. Surprised it’s not in more though. Maybe it’s used indirectly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185225300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Simon Sapin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185225300">(Jan 09 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
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<p>does anyone know where the libs team has their meetings?</p>
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<p>We haven’t had regularly-scheduled video meetings for a while. <code>#rust-libs</code> on IRC was the place to have information discussion, and we’re moving to <code>t-libs</code> here on Zulip: <a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/the-library-team-is-moving-from-irc-to-zulip/11598" target="_blank" title="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/the-library-team-is-moving-from-irc-to-zulip/11598">https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/the-library-team-is-moving-from-irc-to-zulip/11598</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185225943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Simon Sapin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185225943">(Jan 09 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
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<p>library maintenance of the standard library could just be the compiler team</p>
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<p>If by maintenance you mean of implementation details such as bug fixes or perf improvement, then yes I think that compiler team members or in fact any reviewer who feels comfortable reviewing a given PR should feel free to help out without necessarily blocking on T-libs approval. For anything that adds/extends/modifies a public API however T-libs still has a role to play. You mentioned coherency of the language direction for T-lang, this is similar.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185244684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185244684">(Jan 09 2020 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219747">@Simon Sapin</span> what you wrote is basically how I see it also</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/libs%20team%20meetings%20and%20btree/near/185387476" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122651-general/topic/libs.20team.20meetings.20and.20btree.html#185387476">(Jan 11 2020 at 12:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> Well that was just the notable mentions. It has about 300~ dependent crates so it seems like it is being used.</p>



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